4. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". DarkGodBane • 7 yr. He's the most powerful. s. 1. Beyonder 16. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. So my problem here is while debating with Beyonder fans. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. Beyonder vs The Celestials. I dunno. -Everything in bleach. . But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. s. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. 9. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. No it is not. Pre Retcon Beyonder. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. I build with many hands. Kitsunw. TOAA is omnipotent. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. Stalemate. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. I see no one equal to the gods of DC and Marvel: The Presence and The One Above All. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. #4 ironthor1. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. I really can't be asked to go. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. TOAA mops the floor with these two. PR Beyonder, TOAA. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Beyonder Doom 14. 8 C. Juntai. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. Rorschach vs Dr. Beyonder stomps. Beyonder. and yes, its the. In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Never leave. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. #12 Edited By Montaq. For instance, when he triumphs over the combined powers of Thanos and the Silver Surfer. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. They are god of their own comics. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. beyonder Yep, lol. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. I think the idea. Michael Demiurgos vs Classic Beyonder. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. Also, Spectre is supposed to be the avatar of the Presence an gets owned often. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. and to become. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. 4 years ago. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . Neutral Close. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. But the Beyonder can destroy universal conceptual beings (as seen above when he kills death itself). 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). vs. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. @TheLegendary32 said:. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. and he isn't omniscience. The Living Tribunal answers only to TOAA and is regarded by him and every other abstract entity in Marvel as being omnipotent and literally "above" them all in terms of power and importance. ago. Follow 1627. Forum Posts. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. TOAA remains TOAA and this object will still not. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. 0. Beyonder is marvel. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. As. #1 KingOfAsh. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Jan 1, 2019. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Beyonder = tier 2 being at absolute most. SCP 3812. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". #1 Nicholas_Jones. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. INB4 LOCK. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe. Kuuko273. Probably thanos as he seemed to. It was said that she is the spark of creation. I see through many eyes. 3 K The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). . Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. 3. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. 33. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. 9 years ago. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. Claymore1998. Reviews: 0. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. HotU Thanos should win based on actual feats. 5 years ago. itsirk. Beyonder 16. Reactions: Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. R5, same idea as R4. Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. So I might be missing something. Hajun, if not Beyonder. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. . 2. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. 47. This. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. . Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. TOAA isn't omnipotent. They were both. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. TOAA in fact survived. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". -Everything in bleach. I think Darwin will take it 7/10 since you removed the "flight" option of fight or flight. I dunno. Jack Kline can’t do shit. Both have absolute 100% control. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. ago. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. 3. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. 6. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. TOAA have failed. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. Pre-retcon Beyonder. 1 Answer. " im sick of Beyonder. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. We all know TOAA, but Enigma (Defenders:Beyond #5) and The Lost One (All Out Avengers #4) seem positioned to be more powerful than TOAA. I mean, the name itself says it – the One Above All – there is nothing, no one, that could beat him. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. This is a simple fight. Jan 29, 2017. Then House Of Ideas 12. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. Ninja-Yatsu • 10 mo. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. The One Above All has no equal. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Preparation. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. Spectre is backed by the Presence, he regularly gets owned by lesser beings. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. I. In general as the Supreme Beings. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. “INTO THE OCEAN OF REALITY YOU HAVE CROSSED DIMENSIONAL PLANES. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. 9 years. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. ago. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. -. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. The first 3 scans are 4th wall breaking/meta fiction for beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. Beyonder is beyond the universe. It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. Spectre probably. 7 years ago. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time. along with. . The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Which is power explicitly above the Beyonder. Khael. Look stuff up for it. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. #3 jwwprod. Juntai. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. No . . As the Fight inclines this is Tiamut who is I believe the strongest celestial ( I heard there was another. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. and it can be said so is spectre. Oldfather 18. NULL_Terrorist. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. Manhattan's league. Beyonder is beyond the universe. show 6 replies. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The End. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs Beatrice both at 1A who will win´╝ƒ. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. 9. 10 years ago. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. 0. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. u/nullfather can attest to that. #14. ". Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. 14 years ago. And yeah he stomps. #28 ovy7. Her being outclassed "heavily" would require some actual analysis of their respective abilities (and weaknesses), this definitely doesn't seem to be a stomp at first glance, as even with my admittedly very limited knowledge of Umineko, I recall. Max Deen. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. 4. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. 0. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. Oh boy, Michael wins. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. s. . The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. The power of love is said to be a threat. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. Follow 1. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. ago. Yeah All Mighty Wins. Victory Conditions: Death, KO. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens.